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the taliban. it's easy to argue that that's when 9/11 and a lot of other problems in the region were born. when america simply walked away once the votes withdraw. don't forget, there was a war under way in afghanistan at the time of 9/11. they were front lined active at that moment as the taliban were fighting other afghans. 9/11 obviously changed everything. the reason why the west is there is to answer a security threat being paved by the al qaeda organization in exporting terrorist attacks from its planning and strategic bases in afghanistan and in the tribal areas of pakistan. >> afghanistan has always been a country where it's a battleground of ideologies and unfortunately it's the after fan people who have to live through that battle. >> one narrative that i hear again and again, not only from afghans but also from pakistanis is, the abandonment they experienced after the withdrawal of the soviets and the withdrawal of u.s. aid to that region. after pumping in so much money and so many weap
the taliban. it's easy to argue that that's when 9/11 and a lot of other problems in the region were born. when america simply walked away once the votes withdraw. don't forget, there was a war under way in afghanistan at the time of 9/11. they were front lined active at that moment as the taliban were fighting other afghans. 9/11 obviously changed everything. the reason why the west is there is to answer a security threat being paved by the al qaeda organization in exporting terrorist attacks...
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there is two taliban. an afghan taliban. and pakistani taliban. the pakistani military right now is fighting the pakistani taliban. right? but that's not the only sanctuary. all of this -- awful it -- is taliban sanctuary. indeed down here in the pakistani city, it is known by american intelligence, ambassador holbrooke as the home of the, the taliban shura, so all of that is taliban and anti-american militant safe haven not just the highlighted areas. >> want to do one other thing, to sill strait two points. the president talked about the past, and mistakes that were made. he said the al qaeda leadership was allowed to escape. this is tora bora they believe in the early days, osama bin laden escaped into pakistan. instructive to talk about past mistakes. terrain, this is not iraq or flalt d flat desert. >> in 2001, american special forces relied on, american special forces relied on afghan militia to do most of the fighting. well osama paid them more than we did. he slipped through the back door. a myriad of back doors. so the next big battle in
there is two taliban. an afghan taliban. and pakistani taliban. the pakistani military right now is fighting the pakistani taliban. right? but that's not the only sanctuary. all of this -- awful it -- is taliban sanctuary. indeed down here in the pakistani city, it is known by american intelligence, ambassador holbrooke as the home of the, the taliban shura, so all of that is taliban and anti-american militant safe haven not just the highlighted areas. >> want to do one other thing, to...
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there's two taliban. there's an afghan taliban and a pakistani taliban. the pakistani military is fighting the pakistani taliban, right? but that's not the only sanctuary. all of this, all of it, is taliban sanctuary. indeed, down here, in the pakistani city of quetta, it's known by american intelligence, by ambassador holbrooke as the home of the taliban sura. all of that is taliban and anti-american militant safe haven. >> i want to show one other thing to illustrate two points. number one, the president talked about the under-u.s. resourcing. he talked about the mistakes. this is tora bora where they believe back in the early days osama bin laden escaped into pakistan. instru instructed to talk about the terrain. sh this is not flat desert. >> correct. american special forces relied on afghan militia to do most of the fighting. osama paid them more than we did. he slipped through the back door. which you can see, there's a myriad of back doors. the next big battle in similar terrain in march 2002 operate here. the second loss son, look at this, mate. t
there's two taliban. there's an afghan taliban and a pakistani taliban. the pakistani military is fighting the pakistani taliban, right? but that's not the only sanctuary. all of this, all of it, is taliban sanctuary. indeed, down here, in the pakistani city of quetta, it's known by american intelligence, by ambassador holbrooke as the home of the taliban sura. all of that is taliban and anti-american militant safe haven. >> i want to show one other thing to illustrate two points. number...
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are you going to be fighting to get in there fighting to keep the taliban out, killing taliban? >> at the end of the day, the insurgency needs access to the population to be effective. they need to be able to coerce the population and recruit from the population and to prevent the government from extending its governance into those areas. what we are going to do and what we have already started doing and you see in a number of areas where we provide security and we deny the insurgents the ability to operate and threaten the population. that lets them move on with their lives. >> how? will you draw in the taliban? what are we going to see on the ground? >> what you'll see are areas that become increasingly secure. we'll work with afghan partners to establish security zones and gradually they will grow in size and they connect each other and provide the ability for an afghan farmer, for example, raise crops in the central valley and then to move the full security up to the markets of his choice, might be kandahar. when you push the insurgents out, you deny them their ability. i am
are you going to be fighting to get in there fighting to keep the taliban out, killing taliban? >> at the end of the day, the insurgency needs access to the population to be effective. they need to be able to coerce the population and recruit from the population and to prevent the government from extending its governance into those areas. what we are going to do and what we have already started doing and you see in a number of areas where we provide security and we deny the insurgents the...
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the taliban believes they own afghanistan. the second part, we have been missing the civilian and relationship building part, where the military gets in there, they create some kind of semblance of nonviolence or calm, and then there's no civilian counterparts that come in there and help them with that. we're missing those two things, we're trying to ramp that up, but we haven't been able to do it quickly enough. they're telling us, we're not ready to go, and they're happy to see us go. >> the taliban which so quickly claimed responsibility for this attack, clearly wants us to interpret it in a particular way. what do you think the message is meant to be one week after the president's speech? and is this either a precursor to a negotiation? they're saying the terms of the negotiation now shift? or are they saying forget it, we're not going to talk to you? >> the idea was that through the gains we've made over the last two years which are real but fragile and reversible. the idea was the taliban was going to feel sustained pres
the taliban believes they own afghanistan. the second part, we have been missing the civilian and relationship building part, where the military gets in there, they create some kind of semblance of nonviolence or calm, and then there's no civilian counterparts that come in there and help them with that. we're missing those two things, we're trying to ramp that up, but we haven't been able to do it quickly enough. they're telling us, we're not ready to go, and they're happy to see us go....
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, they hate the prospect of the taliban coming to power. if the international community leaves, they will be stuck with a miserable represstive regime that they did not want and did not vote for. >> one of the problems here that you can hear from this studio debate is the number of different arguments put forward. we've had arguments about development and state building, we now have people talking in the studio about the interests of china, we have people talking about american credibility, we have sarah chase talking about afghan views on the taliban. we need to be quite clear why we're there. and this is important in order to have any kind of sustainable engagement. what worries me about this kind of black and white debate on the one hand you have people saying we cannot afford to lose, defeat is not an option, we have to keep pumping in the money and resources indefinitely for some fear somehow our credibility is affected or the region is affected on the one hand. or on the other hand, andrew proposing that we withdraw over the horizon.
, they hate the prospect of the taliban coming to power. if the international community leaves, they will be stuck with a miserable represstive regime that they did not want and did not vote for. >> one of the problems here that you can hear from this studio debate is the number of different arguments put forward. we've had arguments about development and state building, we now have people talking in the studio about the interests of china, we have people talking about american...
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right now the taliban showing resistance. it's expected to continue throughout the next few days as well. >> you said they are still showing resistance. you said when the sun came up, that's when the taliban started to fire and attack, and you kind of describing it as sporadic today. and so the balantaliban is wait until they can see things before they attack? >> reporter: yeah, and the taliban in different parts of afghanistan usually wait until the night to come out and launch attacks. and last night was quiet, but during the daytime, daylight hours, that's when we saw much of the engagement happening. they were coming closer and closer to the area we were in. right now they don't know how to target their weapons precisely in the compound area that they are in. they are trying to find a better strategic location. and the marines are making sure they cannot get to the locations and actually target them. at the moment, we are hearing of two civilian casualties yesterday, two civilian deaths and two civilians wounded. all in t
right now the taliban showing resistance. it's expected to continue throughout the next few days as well. >> you said they are still showing resistance. you said when the sun came up, that's when the taliban started to fire and attack, and you kind of describing it as sporadic today. and so the balantaliban is wait until they can see things before they attack? >> reporter: yeah, and the taliban in different parts of afghanistan usually wait until the night to come out and launch...
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doigs fighting the taliban the u.s. and allies are fighting a drug war. >> reporter: they may be beautiful, but afghanistan's poppies are the source of an estimated 90% of the world's opium. >> translator: when it's harvest time we slice the capsule then leave until the next day. then we collect the opium the next morning. >> reporter: in 2000, afghanistan taliban rulers banned poppy farming for heroin production calling in unislamic. after the overthrow of the taliban in 2001, the poppy made a swift comeback. in a vexing irony, profits now fund taliban efforts towards regaining power. >> it's very clearly most certainly funding, we know that. strategically, my view is it has to be eliminated. >> reporter: eliminated is a challenge. afghanistan's premiere cash crop, and so far attempts to get quick to other props have been met with limited success. a former state department official talked about the challenge of last year. >> one of the myths i tried to debunk, a lot more development assistance, give the farmers irrigat
doigs fighting the taliban the u.s. and allies are fighting a drug war. >> reporter: they may be beautiful, but afghanistan's poppies are the source of an estimated 90% of the world's opium. >> translator: when it's harvest time we slice the capsule then leave until the next day. then we collect the opium the next morning. >> reporter: in 2000, afghanistan taliban rulers banned poppy farming for heroin production calling in unislamic. after the overthrow of the taliban in...
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even other. >> we're pushing the taliban into pakistan. we are increasing the islamist threat to pakistan as a result of our presence in afghanistan. >> david, the argument that if we pull out of afghanistan, everything will become quieter in pakistan. that may have been true back in '02/'08. i don't think it's through now. i think if we were to move out of afghanistan, i think that would probably just increase the resources able to them to take on islamabad. >> one final question to each of you, just a quick bottom line. andrew, do you think the best thing to do, cut our losses, withdraw and we will be surprised at how little the instability, if there is any in afghanistan, affects us, our core national security, correct? >> by and large. last week, "time" magazine, fareed, had a story about the new u.s. commander in kabul. and the headline on the cover was, striked h described him as general who is remaking afghanistan. i think remaking afghanistan is something we're not capable of doing, that we can't afford to attempt to do, and, frank
even other. >> we're pushing the taliban into pakistan. we are increasing the islamist threat to pakistan as a result of our presence in afghanistan. >> david, the argument that if we pull out of afghanistan, everything will become quieter in pakistan. that may have been true back in '02/'08. i don't think it's through now. i think if we were to move out of afghanistan, i think that would probably just increase the resources able to them to take on islamabad. >> one final...
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kandahar is the home base of the taliban. it's where the taliban began. but currently we don't have enough troops to clear and hold it. i would spread the rest of the troops across population centers in the south and in the east. but i'd reserve at least 4 or 5,000 of them to work on training the afghan army and the afghan police. capable afghan security forces are going to enable an american exit strategy from afghanistan. some time not too many years in the future. >> is it -- we understand from a briefing there will be a brigade at least in the initial surge forces assigned to training afghan security forces. so it sounds, john, like they might have been listening to you, there. matthew, you're opposed to a troop increase there. also, i wanted to talk to you about this idea that general mcchrystal says if the u.s. were to draw down troops in afghanistan, there is a likelihood al qaeda would come back. the president seems to concur with that. but you disagree. why? >> i disagree. al qaeda is an organization that doesn't really exist as an organization a
kandahar is the home base of the taliban. it's where the taliban began. but currently we don't have enough troops to clear and hold it. i would spread the rest of the troops across population centers in the south and in the east. but i'd reserve at least 4 or 5,000 of them to work on training the afghan army and the afghan police. capable afghan security forces are going to enable an american exit strategy from afghanistan. some time not too many years in the future. >> is it -- we...
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is it taliban? it seems to me the entire effort in afghanistan was predicated on beating back al qaeda. there may only be 50 in the country. are we fighting against the taliban or negotiating with them? from your perspective, you studied this, what should the objective here be? >> the enemy which is the reason we invaded afghanistan nearly ten years ago was al qaeda because it was from afghanistan's territory that the september 11th attacks were launched. the taliban had been sheltering the al qaeda but most people do not believe they had any involvement in it. i want to come back to inside job question. it's much more important. we have an idea in the united states that there are two sides to the conflict. there's the taliban on one side and then it's nato and we have karzai government as our corrupt and ineffective ally but he's our ally. when in reality the government saw the taliban cooperate as well as on occasion fight each other. in areas of afghanistan virtually everybody has somebody in the
is it taliban? it seems to me the entire effort in afghanistan was predicated on beating back al qaeda. there may only be 50 in the country. are we fighting against the taliban or negotiating with them? from your perspective, you studied this, what should the objective here be? >> the enemy which is the reason we invaded afghanistan nearly ten years ago was al qaeda because it was from afghanistan's territory that the september 11th attacks were launched. the taliban had been sheltering...
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the birthplace of the taliban. he grew a beard, wore afghan dress, spent time with local warlords, went on night patrols with the afghan police, all in an effort to get a real sense of how strong the taliban is and how successful the military mission over there. michael, let's start with the heart of this. your assessment. how is it going? >> very, very badly, fareed. this is a mission both politically and militarily in crisis. politically, this nation is in limbo. they don't even have finalized results for the outcome of last month's presidential election because the result counting has been bogged down in a storm of substantial corruption allegations. that alone, no matter who is the winner, is going to strip the next administration of the legitimacy the american mission he was so desperately hoping the election would deliver. militarily, the entire war plan is up in the air and under review. and, for good reason. on the ground, there's simply not enough u.s. or coalition nato troops, afghan troops, afghan police
the birthplace of the taliban. he grew a beard, wore afghan dress, spent time with local warlords, went on night patrols with the afghan police, all in an effort to get a real sense of how strong the taliban is and how successful the military mission over there. michael, let's start with the heart of this. your assessment. how is it going? >> very, very badly, fareed. this is a mission both politically and militarily in crisis. politically, this nation is in limbo. they don't even have...
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is talking directly to the taliban in peace talks. is that so? >> i think there has been out reach on the part of a number of countries, including the united states. i would say that these contacts are very preliminary at this point. >> at what level is it? >> well, it's being carried out by the state department. >> so it's a diplomatic level not at the level of secretary of state? >> no. and other countries are involved as well. >> when you say preliminary, how long has it been going on? >> well, i'm not sure. a few weeks, maybe. >> is the nature of it how can we get peace here? >> i think first question we have is who represents omar, and who really represents the taliban? we don't want to end up having a conversation at some point with somebody who's basically a freelancer. my own view is that real reconciliation talks are not likely to be able to make a substantive headway, not until they feel under pressure and they need to believe they can't win before they are willing to have a serious conversation. we have said all along a political out c
is talking directly to the taliban in peace talks. is that so? >> i think there has been out reach on the part of a number of countries, including the united states. i would say that these contacts are very preliminary at this point. >> at what level is it? >> well, it's being carried out by the state department. >> so it's a diplomatic level not at the level of secretary of state? >> no. and other countries are involved as well. >> when you say preliminary,...
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which requires talking to the taliban. but instead of doing that, petraeus has ruled out negotiations. he's killing our cabinetry in taliban and creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. there's no reason for the u.s. to be in afghanistan, because the taliban is not in afghanistan. >> i agree there's not enough focus being pushed on to some of these questions about governance and the rule of law. too much focus on handing over to the afghan security forces without really looking at or trying to shape the political environments that underlies much of the conflict that we're seeing. i was just in kandahar a couple of weeks ago and looking into some more recent allegations of human rights abuses by rasick, and i think it sends a terrible message that this was the year that the u.s. and nato, looking at going into kandahar and sorting out governance, and look who their partner is. it's a man notorious for past human rights abuses, narcotics smuggling, a whole host of problems. and this is the man that they're standing shoulder to s
which requires talking to the taliban. but instead of doing that, petraeus has ruled out negotiations. he's killing our cabinetry in taliban and creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. there's no reason for the u.s. to be in afghanistan, because the taliban is not in afghanistan. >> i agree there's not enough focus being pushed on to some of these questions about governance and the rule of law. too much focus on handing over to the afghan security forces without really looking at or trying...
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this is a political conflict and requires negotiating with the taliban. they're not anymore unsavory than the warlords we've empowered. instead of doing that, petraeus is ruling out negotiations and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where the taliban are pushed into the hands of al qaeda. there's no reason on earth for the u.s. to be in afghanistan. al qaeda is not in afghanistan. >> some of the questions about government, the governance and rule of law, and too much focus on short term military gains, too much focus on handle over to the afghan security forces without looking at or trying to shape the political environment that underlies much of the conflict that we're seeing. i was just in kandahar a couple of weeks ago and looking into some more recent allegations of human rights abuses by razak and i think it sends a terrible message that this was a year the americans and nato, talking about going into kandahar and sorting out governance and look who their partner is, a man notorious for past human rights abuses, narcotics smuggling, a host of probl
this is a political conflict and requires negotiating with the taliban. they're not anymore unsavory than the warlords we've empowered. instead of doing that, petraeus is ruling out negotiations and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where the taliban are pushed into the hands of al qaeda. there's no reason on earth for the u.s. to be in afghanistan. al qaeda is not in afghanistan. >> some of the questions about government, the governance and rule of law, and too much focus on short term...
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are drug users around the world funding the taliban? >>> welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour. and today we explore the way opium fuels the insurgency in afghanistan and beyond. we'll speak to the top international drug official, and to a journalist who's seen firsthand the taliban's relationship with drug money. >>> plus, we have a searing look at the sale of daughters and wives in india. we talk to women who are struggling to end this multi-billion dollar slave trade. >>> but first, opium and heroin are fueling the war in afghanistan, and insurgencies around the world, as well as crime and addiction. just listen to these statistics. afghan opium kills more people every year than any other drug. and in nato countries every year, heroin from the afghan poppy fields kills five times more users than all the nato troops who's died fighting the afghan war over the last eight years. the u.n.'s top drug enforcement official told me that the taliban is much more involved in every aspect of the drug trade than previously thought. joining me now, antonio maria c
are drug users around the world funding the taliban? >>> welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour. and today we explore the way opium fuels the insurgency in afghanistan and beyond. we'll speak to the top international drug official, and to a journalist who's seen firsthand the taliban's relationship with drug money. >>> plus, we have a searing look at the sale of daughters and wives in india. we talk to women who are struggling to end this multi-billion dollar slave...
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on board or the bad taliban on board? >> well, i think it is but there's another question. what is it exactly that the troop surge, the 40,000, the increased number of, think that they're going to do to the taliban which will make a taliban that is sitting it out helpless come the middle of 2011. it's very hard to see. it's not that you have a kind of conventional army on who you can inflict such a decisive defeat as you could, you know, in germany and japan at the end of the war. who are the good taliban and what incentive do they have to be pragmatic? the only point historically which ex-terrorist organizations are prepared to be upstanding members of a civic democratic society is when they know that cannot achieve their ends by armed force. that's very unlikely to be the case. >> ahmed and simon, i want to put something in the wall. president obama has spoken about a civilian surge. we heard president karzai talk about it. and yet even though they plan to rarp up the number of civilians, many people think that this is
on board or the bad taliban on board? >> well, i think it is but there's another question. what is it exactly that the troop surge, the 40,000, the increased number of, think that they're going to do to the taliban which will make a taliban that is sitting it out helpless come the middle of 2011. it's very hard to see. it's not that you have a kind of conventional army on who you can inflict such a decisive defeat as you could, you know, in germany and japan at the end of the war. who are...
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who really represents the taliban. we don't want to end up having a conversation at some point with somebody who's basically a freelancer. and, i mean, my own view is that real reconciliation talks are not likely to be able to make any substantive headway until at least this winter. i think that the taliban have to feel themselves under military pressure and begin to believe that they can't win before they're willing to have a serious conversation. we've all said all along that the political outcome is the way most of these wars end. the question is when and if they're ready to talk seriously about meeting the red lines that president karzai and that the coalition have laid down, including totally disavowing al qaeda. >> and two questions come out of that. the first is, is there any part of you, knowing what the taliban has done, which is basically protect and help the folks who made an attack on the u.s. on 9/11, any part of you that is uneasy with this sort of talk? >> well, i think, first of all, we've just killed t
who really represents the taliban. we don't want to end up having a conversation at some point with somebody who's basically a freelancer. and, i mean, my own view is that real reconciliation talks are not likely to be able to make any substantive headway until at least this winter. i think that the taliban have to feel themselves under military pressure and begin to believe that they can't win before they're willing to have a serious conversation. we've all said all along that the political...
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or with the taliban? >> for sure the taliban are playing a long game. they always said you've got watches but we've got the time. it sounds kind of funny but it's not. they are prepared to wait out u.s. forces and other nato forces leaving the country. what they'll be doing is looking at where the drawdown happens and where they can take advantage of that. if you look at what the taliban have done during the surge, the surge has pushed a lot of troops and focused on key provinces and sort of important cities and important highways on the south of the country but where the surge hasn't been as strong in the east or at all in the north, that's where we have seen the taliban been able to make their stronger gains. they'll look at the situation and where they can have an easier fight and manipulate the population and the population does sit on the fence because they're not going to put their necks on the line if they think the taliban will come along and cut them off for siding with either the afghan government or all coalition forces and it's not just stra
or with the taliban? >> for sure the taliban are playing a long game. they always said you've got watches but we've got the time. it sounds kind of funny but it's not. they are prepared to wait out u.s. forces and other nato forces leaving the country. what they'll be doing is looking at where the drawdown happens and where they can take advantage of that. if you look at what the taliban have done during the surge, the surge has pushed a lot of troops and focused on key provinces and sort...
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the taliban and al qaeda are linked like this. and unless the taliban repudiates al qaeda publicly, this is a nonstarter. >> he is also confirming on the record that there is a relationship that continues between the pakistani government and the taliban. listen to this. >> more intelligence organization in the world shuts its last door on any other organization. >> a long his 40 of the pakistan intelligence service working with the taliban and he says, they're not shutting the door. >> i don't know what he's specifically referring to. not shutting the door. the united states and president karzai have long that that taliban reconciliation is part of our program. people who work with the taliban who support them, who want to lay down their arm and participate the door is always open. it's not going -- this war won't end on the decks of the uss missouri like world war ii did. this war will enwhen the taliban lay down their arm and reintegrate into society. and that's always been an option and president karzai has spoken publicly and
the taliban and al qaeda are linked like this. and unless the taliban repudiates al qaeda publicly, this is a nonstarter. >> he is also confirming on the record that there is a relationship that continues between the pakistani government and the taliban. listen to this. >> more intelligence organization in the world shuts its last door on any other organization. >> a long his 40 of the pakistan intelligence service working with the taliban and he says, they're not shutting the...
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and the taliban to be his enemies and given a choice he would side with the taliban. >> the taliban. >> how do we win? >> this is the nature of the problem and the question comes back to is this worth the kind of effort we're making? do we have other priorities in the world? do we have the better use for $117 billion? and what about those live that is are at risk? >> all right, peter, andrew, thank you both so much for joining us. >> sure thing. >> thank you. >> thank you, guys. thank you. >>> later on "parker spitzer," a tribute to larry king on the last night doing a live program on this network. you won't want to miss it. >> smell the fresh air of london again. if justice is not always an outcome, at least it is not dead yet. during my time in solitary confinement, in the bottom of a victorian prison, i had time to reflect. you don't decide when vegetables reach the peak of perfection. the vegetables do. at green giant, we pick vegetables only when they're perfect. then freeze them fast so they're are as nutritious as fresh. [ green giant ] ho ho ho. ♪ green giant >>> tonight, o
and the taliban to be his enemies and given a choice he would side with the taliban. >> the taliban. >> how do we win? >> this is the nature of the problem and the question comes back to is this worth the kind of effort we're making? do we have other priorities in the world? do we have the better use for $117 billion? and what about those live that is are at risk? >> all right, peter, andrew, thank you both so much for joining us. >> sure thing. >> thank you....
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most of the strength of the taliban is withdrawn. i think is there a hardcore cadre probably stuck in marjah, surrounded by these booby-trap bombs. they will continue to be a danger and an attempt to draw the troops in and maybe some kind of series of explosions. you have to be very careful as you sweep the area very slowly. that's going to take days and weeks. and of course there are snipers hanging out trying to make every bullet count when they see a series of soldiers. finally, of course, you have the danger of complacency on the part of the troops. things may look innocent, may fall easily their way and the taliban pulls some kind of surprise. >> i wonder when i ask about the economic goal here that the allied forces have. this is an area, helmand province, where this is the place of financing the taliban militarily. it's financing them in their arms race in that region. i wonder if one of the primary goals for this allied offensive is to try to wipe out the poppy fields or try, i guess their best effort in taking a stab at that
most of the strength of the taliban is withdrawn. i think is there a hardcore cadre probably stuck in marjah, surrounded by these booby-trap bombs. they will continue to be a danger and an attempt to draw the troops in and maybe some kind of series of explosions. you have to be very careful as you sweep the area very slowly. that's going to take days and weeks. and of course there are snipers hanging out trying to make every bullet count when they see a series of soldiers. finally, of course,...
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is there taliban or not? here, the sense of a city under siege goes much deeper than just hurting business. even here in the city, you cannot speak out against the taliban. those who do speak up face a terrible conclusion, this shopkeeper says. i found for many, these fears are growing. even though a major u.s. and canadian base is located at kandahar's airfield, just outside the city limits. their vehicles are in the city streets. so for more answers, i turn to some old friends. one is ahmed walid karzai, brother to the afghan president and now patriarch and leader of the family's tribe. >> pockets of taliban. that's what it is. it's not a major force to i should be have a fear sitting here they come attack us tonight. this is now surrounding the city. >> reporter: but it also seems small pockets of taliban are turning to old and highly successful tactics. they're using the same valleys, mountain passes and many of the same old commanders who defeated the soviet army. this man, another old friend, was a guer
is there taliban or not? here, the sense of a city under siege goes much deeper than just hurting business. even here in the city, you cannot speak out against the taliban. those who do speak up face a terrible conclusion, this shopkeeper says. i found for many, these fears are growing. even though a major u.s. and canadian base is located at kandahar's airfield, just outside the city limits. their vehicles are in the city streets. so for more answers, i turn to some old friends. one is ahmed...
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at night, in the villages, that's when the taliban comes in. that's when the taliban runs. that's when they have control. it's these people that can counter the taliban at night and when america is not there. but only if we put it in their interest to do so. >> so, jimmy, how do you put it in their interests? how do you make it enticing to them to work with u.s. forces? >> i found it very interesting to read the communications from al qaeda and pakistan and afghanistan, where there is a difference. they're basically saying we're glad president obama made this decision because it's a great recruiting tool for us. it has to be part of the calculus. how is it affecting the swelling ranks of the taliban and hindering the cooperation that michael references here. >> there's a bit of that, too, inflammatory language, is it not? they're going to say that no matter what? >> well, of course. but i also think we're seeing an increase in the ranks of the taliban in an unprecedent the scale since the war was launched. and we cannot eliminate what that presents in terms of being the fly
at night, in the villages, that's when the taliban comes in. that's when the taliban runs. that's when they have control. it's these people that can counter the taliban at night and when america is not there. but only if we put it in their interest to do so. >> so, jimmy, how do you put it in their interests? how do you make it enticing to them to work with u.s. forces? >> i found it very interesting to read the communications from al qaeda and pakistan and afghanistan, where there...
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and then, of course, you have the taliban weighing in. the taliban exaggerating numbers, saying that there were 50 people killed. they generally do exaggerate the number of casualties. and they, too, said that this was the act of a number of people on a mission. we do not know yet the very details of exactly what happened. but again, isaf sticking with this one soldier being involved and person acting alone. and the other afghan officials saying, no, there was something else going on there. but indeed, 16 people have been killed. >> thank you very much from kabul. again, one u.s. army staff sergeant in custody and being held responsible for that shooting taking place. >>> meantime, the white house has just released a statement about this shooting. this from president barack obama saying, "i offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives and to the people of afghanistan." the president goes on to say, "this incident does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the unit
and then, of course, you have the taliban weighing in. the taliban exaggerating numbers, saying that there were 50 people killed. they generally do exaggerate the number of casualties. and they, too, said that this was the act of a number of people on a mission. we do not know yet the very details of exactly what happened. but again, isaf sticking with this one soldier being involved and person acting alone. and the other afghan officials saying, no, there was something else going on there. but...
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you said that he has restored the taliban. so, you believe that the failure of governance is at the heart of the rise of the taliban and not a kind of military resurgence or religious idealogy that is refueling this insurgency? >> i've talked to a lot of people where the heart of insurgency is. and time again and again, their story comes to one thing, an injustice that could no longer be tolerated and force them to active resistance. they point out its effect during the first three years. there was no insurgency. the taliban disappeared. they became ordinary men and women and some went away. so, 80% of what's happening in afghanistan is due to bad governance. >> lots of people are advocating some kind of national reconciliation, talking to the taliban, reaching out. i've written about it. the foreign secretary of britain recently gave a speech advocating it. it doesn't seem to really be happening in afghanistan. is that because karzai is not making the effort? is it because, so far, the taliban are not responding? >> how would
you said that he has restored the taliban. so, you believe that the failure of governance is at the heart of the rise of the taliban and not a kind of military resurgence or religious idealogy that is refueling this insurgency? >> i've talked to a lot of people where the heart of insurgency is. and time again and again, their story comes to one thing, an injustice that could no longer be tolerated and force them to active resistance. they point out its effect during the first three years....
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mar. >>> is a taliban stronghold, the largest, and it's estimated 1,000 taliban fighters are holed up in the city. a large amount of explosives have been found and it's estimated the taliban made an estimated $2.5 million a year from the opium produced in that region. so let's get started with our reporter on the ground, atia abawi. she is embedded with u.s. troops there. she's been giving us reports all morning long. can you give us an idea of what is taking place right now, atia? >> reporter: right now, betty, there seems to be a lull in the fighting but that's not to say it's not going to start up again in the night hours, when it's dark again. the fighting started in the early morning hours when it was dark, as well, at 2:00 a.m. when u.s. and afghan soldiers hit the ground here with an air assault. we're actually embedded with the alpha company. and when they came in, the first thing that they hit was actually the terrain. it was a very tough terrain to deal with. they came on farm land. they came in the black night and the first four wounded were not serious wounds but had to be
mar. >>> is a taliban stronghold, the largest, and it's estimated 1,000 taliban fighters are holed up in the city. a large amount of explosives have been found and it's estimated the taliban made an estimated $2.5 million a year from the opium produced in that region. so let's get started with our reporter on the ground, atia abawi. she is embedded with u.s. troops there. she's been giving us reports all morning long. can you give us an idea of what is taking place right now, atia?...
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in that there is al qaeda and taliban and -- taliban spreading talibanization into -- and then there's extremist in our society. and then there are mujahadin involved. the situation is more complicated in pakistan. >> is it -- but there is obvious frustration and concern in america, not least because it was pakistan has a reputed -- at least 100 nuclear weapons. if the country continues to deteriorate in terms of stability it becomes a very dangerous situation for the world. >> if pakistan disintegrates, then it can be dangerous. otherwise if pakistan's integrity is there and which i'm sure it will be there, the armed forces of pakistan are there, there is no danger of the nuclear strategic assets falling in any. >> we talked about disintegration. it is all relative. 35,000 pakistani people have been killed in terror related incidents since 9/11. there are suicide bombings every week now in pakistan. and to -- a neutral observer, it does appear that you part -- country, pakistan is going through a form of disintegration. >> i wouldn't call it disintegration. the armed forces of pakista
in that there is al qaeda and taliban and -- taliban spreading talibanization into -- and then there's extremist in our society. and then there are mujahadin involved. the situation is more complicated in pakistan. >> is it -- but there is obvious frustration and concern in america, not least because it was pakistan has a reputed -- at least 100 nuclear weapons. if the country continues to deteriorate in terms of stability it becomes a very dangerous situation for the world. >> if...
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this must be the taliban response. it's more likely pegged to may when the taliban made their announcement of what they were calling their spring or summer offensive. that they were going to step up their attacks. this is probably the biggest attack on a hotel like this in about three years. the serena hotel which is the primary hotel where a lot of foreigners gather faced a similar attack. this is not the first time the taliban have done this. i was in afghanistan about 1 1/2 years ago when the taliban attacked the united nations guest house. we were just a block or two away when the taliban literally shot the guards dead at the door, scaled the front gate and proceeded to set off grenades and kill about five united nations workers inside that guest house. >> chris lawrence, thanks so much. >>> let's talk about the message taliban are sending here with cnn national security analyst peter bergen. chris lawrence said we shouldn't read too much into this in terms of the timing and this is not a political responsibility t
this must be the taliban response. it's more likely pegged to may when the taliban made their announcement of what they were calling their spring or summer offensive. that they were going to step up their attacks. this is probably the biggest attack on a hotel like this in about three years. the serena hotel which is the primary hotel where a lot of foreigners gather faced a similar attack. this is not the first time the taliban have done this. i was in afghanistan about 1 1/2 years ago when...
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will that work with the taliban? >> there is a reintegration program for taliban fighters. part of it is cash driven. >> u.s. taxpayers basically giving them money to stop being the taliban. >> right. >> is it working? >> the numbers are i think 2,000 if you're going to be generous. >> $2,000? >> 2,000 taliban fighters who are in the process of maybe taking part of this in an insurgency that probably cons t consists of 35,000 so it is not to be sniffed at but not like there is a huge shift of people willing to leave the taliban because of cash payments. >> is it fair to say that this week the president of the united states sided with the vice president joe biden in terms of the troop withdrawal pace and rejected the advice of general petraeus, admiral mullen, and the other military commanders? >> that's what they seem to have testified to. however, i think that it's maybe a little bit too reductive to say biden versus petraeus. the politics has changed completely. the death of bin laden, the budget crisis. it just became, you know, and the president has to make political de
will that work with the taliban? >> there is a reintegration program for taliban fighters. part of it is cash driven. >> u.s. taxpayers basically giving them money to stop being the taliban. >> right. >> is it working? >> the numbers are i think 2,000 if you're going to be generous. >> $2,000? >> 2,000 taliban fighters who are in the process of maybe taking part of this in an insurgency that probably cons t consists of 35,000 so it is not to be sniffed...
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they've handed military defeats to the taliban. at the same time, they know the americans are leaving and pakistan is going to be attached to afghanistan for quite some period of time. and they want to influence the future of afghanistan by keeping certain taliban elements on the table for americans in afghanistan. >> larry: back to secrecy, michael, what should be secret? many complain that your story shouldn't have been told. what should be secret in times of conflict? >> well, i think clearly there are operational details as a reporter you would never report that are going to actually put u.s. troops in harm's way, but i think unfortunately the government has a tendency to classify things not to prevent americans from being in harm's way, but to prevent embarrassment for themselves. i think that's the issue here. but obviously there's operations going on, missions that you would never want to reveal, at least not while it's happening. >> larry: you agree, daniel? certain secret things are secret? >> i certainly -- i agree that t
they've handed military defeats to the taliban. at the same time, they know the americans are leaving and pakistan is going to be attached to afghanistan for quite some period of time. and they want to influence the future of afghanistan by keeping certain taliban elements on the table for americans in afghanistan. >> larry: back to secrecy, michael, what should be secret? many complain that your story shouldn't have been told. what should be secret in times of conflict? >> well, i...
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it shows the taliban as a whole to be very confident. their thinking is come 2014, they will be back in power in afghanistan and will win, so to speak. it also shows that a lot of the taliban don't really trust pakistan. they feel pakistan is manipulative but they don't see any other area to get help so they go along and they take pakistan's aid, and that some of the senior taliban officials are still being given safe harbor there in pakistan. brooke? >> what about the ultimate goal of getting out of afghanistan? does this mean we're even further away from reaching that target? >> yeah. when you look at it, you know, there has been some talk about, you know, the afghan saying that they may meet the taliban for some negotiations in qatar. a taliban spokesman put out a word just recently, in the last day or so, saying that's not true. they respect the idea of negotiations but they have no plans to do so at the time. so still -- hard to say on that. you know, meanwhile, u.s. officials have saying about this report, this is some of the most
it shows the taliban as a whole to be very confident. their thinking is come 2014, they will be back in power in afghanistan and will win, so to speak. it also shows that a lot of the taliban don't really trust pakistan. they feel pakistan is manipulative but they don't see any other area to get help so they go along and they take pakistan's aid, and that some of the senior taliban officials are still being given safe harbor there in pakistan. brooke? >> what about the ultimate goal of...
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a lot of anti-taliban, pro-democracy. there was an arab spring where they got rid of a military dictator. there's an independent judiciary doing cases against both the military and civilian government. these are institutions that are important to pakistan's future. what pakistan hasn't had yet is particularly good leadership. hopefully in the next few years a leader will come up. >> peter, we appreciate you being with us. his new book is called "man hunt." i recommend it. ari fleischer, thank you. paul begala and general marks. we'll be right back. i'm an expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. massmutual. we'll help you get there. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had tha
a lot of anti-taliban, pro-democracy. there was an arab spring where they got rid of a military dictator. there's an independent judiciary doing cases against both the military and civilian government. these are institutions that are important to pakistan's future. what pakistan hasn't had yet is particularly good leadership. hopefully in the next few years a leader will come up. >> peter, we appreciate you being with us. his new book is called "man hunt." i recommend it. ari...
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think about the rule of the taliban. afghans overwhelmingly continue to feel their lives are getter better. this is a country without phone service. now one in three afghans have a cell phone. this is one that didn't have a girl in school. now there are 2 million girls in school. this is a country where they had no economic indicators because there were none. now they had 22% gdp growth rate. admittedly from a low point. i could give you a list of -- there's an optimistic view of afghanistan. we know what's wrong with the place. and it's shared by a lot of afghans themselves. the one thing they were concerned about was we were going to head for the exits. today's decision, i think, will help them -- will reassure them that we have a long-term presence there. most of them want that. they don't want permanent bases. they don't want to be occupied, no one does. but they do want to feel the united states and its allies isn't heading for the exits. >> general marks, in terms of what our military has been doing on the ground,
think about the rule of the taliban. afghans overwhelmingly continue to feel their lives are getter better. this is a country without phone service. now one in three afghans have a cell phone. this is one that didn't have a girl in school. now there are 2 million girls in school. this is a country where they had no economic indicators because there were none. now they had 22% gdp growth rate. admittedly from a low point. i could give you a list of -- there's an optimistic view of afghanistan....
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the taliban is still there. they want to negotiate with the taliban. even now, despite all the talk about it, there is none of that going on in any formal fashion and many senior afghan leaders who fought the taliban don't want the taliban back anyway. >> a lot to talk about with christiane, she'll be here over the next several hours. we'll bring you the president's address live. let's go to wolf. >> john king is here, he's been watching all of this unfold as well. didn't take very long for some republicans to be critical of the president, the timing of this visit to afghanistan, on this, the one-year anniversary of bin laden's death. senator james inhoff of oklahoma saying it's good that the president goes and visits the troops in afghanistan but then he adds this, "unfortunately, this president has allowed washington and campaign politics to dictate his strategy in afghanistan rather than the conditions on the ground." >> well that is from isaa inhoff, conservative, frequent critic of the military issues and other issues saying the president's plan t
the taliban is still there. they want to negotiate with the taliban. even now, despite all the talk about it, there is none of that going on in any formal fashion and many senior afghan leaders who fought the taliban don't want the taliban back anyway. >> a lot to talk about with christiane, she'll be here over the next several hours. we'll bring you the president's address live. let's go to wolf. >> john king is here, he's been watching all of this unfold as well. didn't take very...
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the taliban say the americans were killed in retaliation for the burning of korans earlier this week. protesters have been out on the streets for five days now furious over the koran burning. we go live to afghanistan in a couple minutes. >>> former south african president nelson mandela is in the hospital. he had a hernia operation today and resting pretty comfortably. . he's 93 years old. the government official reassured everyone that the surgery was not an emergency. mandela will likely be released in the mebs two days. >>> and a prosecutor said a former rutgers university student acted purposely. ravi faces charges that include hate crimes. the roommate killed himself just days later. ravi faces up to ten years in prison. >>> a judge has dismissed the corruption case against silvio berlusconi. he was charged with bribery, but the judge rule that had the statute of limitations expired in the case. he survived a series of political corruption and sex scandals over his many years in power. >>> let's get right to our top story out of afghanistan where the taliban will claiming she sh
the taliban say the americans were killed in retaliation for the burning of korans earlier this week. protesters have been out on the streets for five days now furious over the koran burning. we go live to afghanistan in a couple minutes. >>> former south african president nelson mandela is in the hospital. he had a hernia operation today and resting pretty comfortably. . he's 93 years old. the government official reassured everyone that the surgery was not an emergency. mandela will...
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we're going inside the taliban with michael ware. take a look. >> reporter: i came to these mountains to unravel how the taliban in afghanistan are based from here across the border in pakistan. in these remote mountain valleys of pakistan's northwest frontier province, the taliban can hide, train, smuggle weapons, and launch military strikes against u.s. forces in afghanistan. for generations the border here has been little more than a vague blur, and that is what is crippling the american effort in afghanistan. to put it simply, america cannot win the war in afghanistan. certainly can't win it with bombs and bullets and it can't win it in afghanistan alone. part of the answer lies here where i'm standing in the mountain valleys in pakistan on the afghan border because this is al qaeda and taliban territory. right now there's as many as 100 taliban on that mountain top. between the snowcapped peaks they're currently under siege from local villages who are driving them from their bunkers. but at the end of the day it's the pakistani
we're going inside the taliban with michael ware. take a look. >> reporter: i came to these mountains to unravel how the taliban in afghanistan are based from here across the border in pakistan. in these remote mountain valleys of pakistan's northwest frontier province, the taliban can hide, train, smuggle weapons, and launch military strikes against u.s. forces in afghanistan. for generations the border here has been little more than a vague blur, and that is what is crippling the...
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only about 10% say the taliban. even though it's the taliban killing thousands of pakistani civilian. >> larry: that doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't make sense. it's somewhat prone to conspiracy theoriesp this they believe blackwater is deeply engaged this their country, even though there's little or no evidence of that.
only about 10% say the taliban. even though it's the taliban killing thousands of pakistani civilian. >> larry: that doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't make sense. it's somewhat prone to conspiracy theoriesp this they believe blackwater is deeply engaged this their country, even though there's little or no evidence of that.
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who's training the taliban? have you seen the taliban trainers? it's not about the way. it's about the will. >> it's not about setting up a central institution with a bureaucracy that says we're going to produce army officers. >> this is why to me the iraq awakening has always been very important. the only reason or the main reason we have a chance for a decent outcome in iraq still is because iraqis decided to own the problem. that there was an awakening amongst sunnis who said we're going to get rid of al qaeda. there was an awakening among shiias who said we're going to get rid of our extremists, the army, basically, and said we're going to take ownership of this problem. our surge there, remember, coincided with their awakening. that was critical. what are we trying to do in afghanistan, i would argue we're actually trying to create the conditions for the surge. that is we're trying to build the decent government that afghans would then come out and say, okay, but we're trying to create the conditions, i'm sorry, for the awakening. if there's a decent government i wi
who's training the taliban? have you seen the taliban trainers? it's not about the way. it's about the will. >> it's not about setting up a central institution with a bureaucracy that says we're going to produce army officers. >> this is why to me the iraq awakening has always been very important. the only reason or the main reason we have a chance for a decent outcome in iraq still is because iraqis decided to own the problem. that there was an awakening amongst sunnis who said...
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the darker the province, the stronger the taliban. is this going to remain largely, for the most part, an american fight inside this line, where things are the toughest? >> well, we have nations -- other nations with us inside the line in the southern regions as well. >> go back and show that here. >> exactly. and more importantly, we're going to have afghans in this region as well. we have asked the afghan national security forces to commit between 4,000 and 5,000 afghans in the southern region to bolster our troops. >> down in here? >> exactly right. yeah. >> but will the new nato forces include combat forces who are going in here and doing the dirty work alongside the americans? >> well, yes, i think it will, but the other thing that it will do is it will stabilize the north and the west of the country, which is very important. and secondly, we have other forces that are working in other parts of the country. and that will allow us to move our forces back towards the border regions, where really the most important struggle that we'
the darker the province, the stronger the taliban. is this going to remain largely, for the most part, an american fight inside this line, where things are the toughest? >> well, we have nations -- other nations with us inside the line in the southern regions as well. >> go back and show that here. >> exactly. and more importantly, we're going to have afghans in this region as well. we have asked the afghan national security forces to commit between 4,000 and 5,000 afghans in...
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another group of taliban, these are the people who kidnapped me. they're based inside pakistan's tribal areas. they are much more hard line. they work with swarm fighters including arabs and are reported to she willer al qaeda members as well. that second group of hard line taliban, the ones based in pakistan, will not, i think, agree to this sort of reconciliation program. so again, it is a two-prong approach that will lead to reconciliation, poe essentially inside afghanistan, but it may take military pressure on other taliban groups that are based in pakistan. >> again, that was david rohde of the new york times. closer to home, critics have called the online classified ad site craigslist the single largest source of prostitution in america. cnn challenged its founder on how he was trying to clean it up. >> what are you guys doing to protect these girls? >> this week, craigslist pulled the plug. next, see the story that started it all and hear reaction from those who demanded the ads come down. >>> and stopping the bullying. not in class but at
another group of taliban, these are the people who kidnapped me. they're based inside pakistan's tribal areas. they are much more hard line. they work with swarm fighters including arabs and are reported to she willer al qaeda members as well. that second group of hard line taliban, the ones based in pakistan, will not, i think, agree to this sort of reconciliation program. so again, it is a two-prong approach that will lead to reconciliation, poe essentially inside afghanistan, but it may take...
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one thing, fredericka, everyone is keeping an eye on what are the taliban going to do. you were saying nato saying they are disoriented. will they mount a counterattack right now? what we are hearing from nato is there are pockets of resistance, but it seems more like this noncoordinated hit-and-run tactics rather than something that would be a larger coordinated attack. >> thank you so much, coming to us from kabul. >>> the southeast slowed by snow, digging out from yet another winter storm. jacqui jeras is tracking that in the weather center. choose any car? you cannot be serious! okay. seriously, you choose. go national. go like a pro. ♪ 'cause germs don't stick on me ♪ only band-aid brand plus antibiotic... has antibiotic ointment directly on the pad. one-step infection protection... from the brand you trust. ♪ i am stuck on band-aid brand ♪ ♪ 'cause band-aid helps heal me ♪ >>> checking our top stories right now. biology professor at the university of alabama in huntsville is charged with murder. 45-year-old amy bishop anderson shot and killed three col
one thing, fredericka, everyone is keeping an eye on what are the taliban going to do. you were saying nato saying they are disoriented. will they mount a counterattack right now? what we are hearing from nato is there are pockets of resistance, but it seems more like this noncoordinated hit-and-run tactics rather than something that would be a larger coordinated attack. >> thank you so much, coming to us from kabul. >>> the southeast slowed by snow, digging out from yet another...
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the taliban, not much taliban presence in afghanistan any more. the taliban is still a presence and is able to launch from the capital itself. >> yeah, but i think these are spectacular attacks that don't necessarily mean -- i can't think of a single major city that the taliban have ever held. they can't do a tet offensive on kabul. the relative weakness -- you have the afghan national security forces who are weak and you have the taliban who are stronger than they have been in the past. you know, if we sort of left tomorrow, the taliban might take over a large chunk of the country. not because they're strong, but because the afghan forces are weak. having the plan with the advisers going forward after 2014 is critical. >> just yesterday, a lot of people didn't know this. and you asked whether the white house was overselling the impact of bin laden's death, hyping it for political gain. what do you think of this trip now? >> well, anderson, whether or not you like president obama, any veteran of the white house would have to -- i think ari would a
the taliban, not much taliban presence in afghanistan any more. the taliban is still a presence and is able to launch from the capital itself. >> yeah, but i think these are spectacular attacks that don't necessarily mean -- i can't think of a single major city that the taliban have ever held. they can't do a tet offensive on kabul. the relative weakness -- you have the afghan national security forces who are weak and you have the taliban who are stronger than they have been in the past....
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taliban were killed in operations there. the u.s. marines are telling us that as of now, they are in the entire area that they were inserted into. remember, this is all happening in the northern part of helmand province, a very big taliban strong there around the town of now zad. they are in the city center of now zad sweeping from house to house, looking for weapon caches, looking for explosives. they say they have found plenty of that to date. and we have been saying how heavily infested that area is with mines and improvised explosive devices. what the marines are doing now is they're using a new kind of vehicle to get throw all of that, an abv. an assault breach vehicle. it shoots explosives into mine corridors and creates a corridor. in this operation so far, those vehicles have been key. the latest update is the marines right now are facing fairly little resistance. however, day do say, there are still scattered pockets out there, betty. >> all right. give us an idea, since you've been embedded with these groups, what
taliban were killed in operations there. the u.s. marines are telling us that as of now, they are in the entire area that they were inserted into. remember, this is all happening in the northern part of helmand province, a very big taliban strong there around the town of now zad. they are in the city center of now zad sweeping from house to house, looking for weapon caches, looking for explosives. they say they have found plenty of that to date. and we have been saying how heavily infested that...
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or the taliban. lieutenant colonel bill mccullough tells them marines will be here at least until next summer but beyond that they can't promise. so a lot of people are not willing to choose sides. >> they're waiting for a little more bona fides from us that we are here to stay. that's what we're trying to develop here. they trust us, they trust their own government and once these folks pick sides and say, you know, we're with the government, i believe that is -- it's not a win, but it's a sign that we're winning. >> signs of winning are hard to find. i can tell you that. 12 to 18 months. that's what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says the u.s. has to turn this war around. the window is short. time is running out. what happens if that doesn't happen? let's talk to national security analyst peter bergen who is here us here in patrol base jaker. it is amazing when you think about it. the amount of resources and time and effort being put into basically convincing a small number of afghans to
or the taliban. lieutenant colonel bill mccullough tells them marines will be here at least until next summer but beyond that they can't promise. so a lot of people are not willing to choose sides. >> they're waiting for a little more bona fides from us that we are here to stay. that's what we're trying to develop here. they trust us, they trust their own government and once these folks pick sides and say, you know, we're with the government, i believe that is -- it's not a win, but it's...
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they are trying to target the taliban themselves. the taliban still -- the u.s. marines are in the city of marja. there are other marines in the northern part of the city as well. >> yeah. all right. atia, we'll have to reestablish a signal with you at some point soon. again, it is not always, of course, you can imagine the places she is, where she's right now, it is not easy to get the best signal. atia was talking about the sporadic fighting and resistance still coming from the taliban on day two. you can see the city there of marjah, it's the latest offensive taking place in the last eight years. our atia is reporting they are showing more resistance on the second day of the offensive. we know 27 taliban militants have been killed two. coalition forces, including one u.s. marine killed in the fighting so far as well. we'll try to reestablish with atia later. >>> in the meantime, we'll see what officials back in the afghan are saying. frederick is here for us. what are you hearing about progress so far? >> reporter: hi, betty. we have been talking both to nato
they are trying to target the taliban themselves. the taliban still -- the u.s. marines are in the city of marja. there are other marines in the northern part of the city as well. >> yeah. all right. atia, we'll have to reestablish a signal with you at some point soon. again, it is not always, of course, you can imagine the places she is, where she's right now, it is not easy to get the best signal. atia was talking about the sporadic fighting and resistance still coming from the taliban...